Home Power DIY

Gosh, what a waste of resources and time. This is really really bad.

if we combie their life style and the 21st century . . . imagine how it would be as a come out . . .
must be a faboulous experience . . .

I am gonna make this as experiment, and gonna post video on my youtube.

Could you explain why this is a waste of time and resources? What is bad about the content of the video, if that’s what your talking about?

Just look at the hassle. It’s utterly time-inefficient. This is the reason that the gas pipeline network, electrical grid and industrialized farming were developed. You can’t just ditch them and say you’ve done something good. This is not a replacement and not an improvement by any stretch of imagination.

Yes you are correct however, your observation is out of context with the purpose of the video. Folks that have sought out this kind of information are thinking in terms of preparing for the time when some or all of the infrastructure is no longer available for some length of time. It’s my opinion that those that don’t, at the very least have 60 days of food, drinking water and a source for flushing water will be in a world of hurt when a crisis occurs.

These guys are just as vulnerable to emergency situations as a stock exchange broker. Even during war with food supply disruption, the countryside is much better prepared for producing meaningful amounts of food. These guys don’t even have their own water and depend on fancy restaurants for fuel. The little solar panel can’t even heat their home. And what if there’s a drought, very low temperatures or massive rains? They are just as screwed as everyone else. I grew up in a farm and should know.

My main point is that self sufficiency in food production is so difficult with current technology as to be pointless. Besides, all this stuff can easily die from diseases or the weather. It’s quite fragile. Energy independence is a more realistic goal for isolated communities, but these guys are not into it, and neither do they need to be. The most dependable energy sources are the gas pipelines and the electrical grid. You could also use delivery by truck for LPG.

And the most ironic thing is that they could be causing more environmental damage with all this hassle than if they relied upon the traditional sources of food and energy.

The solar panels are expensive because they need a lot of energy and labor in production. The fertilizer is manufactured using oil and natural gas. The only environmental benefit is achieved through dramatically reducing the living standard.

You could do even better if you just bought a small apartment in an insulated house.

Ultimately, if people choose to live like this, the civilization is completely doomed and back into the dark ages. Just waiting for a meteorite to finish everybody off. All the progress you see has been achieved by people with lots of free time to study things. A true solution would never require so much work. It’s unsustainable in a very big way.

Sorry for so many answers

you’ve just described my life in a nutshell. It pisses me off when I go to the grocery store and they laugh at me when I tell them to just put the food back in the cart without the bags.

They don’t know any better….and probably don’t want to. The world needs more people like you! You are doing the right thing. Thank you!

there’s nothing wrong with this at all…unless they’re taking gov’t money, and/or doing it because of the global warming lie.

These guys rock! This is my dream. There is loads of good energy from living this way. It just feels right.

In a nut shell, you have told us how fucking stupid you are. lmfao. Wait till hyperinflation kicks in and your paying 4.70 for a can of green beans and your grocery bill is more that your mortgage. It’s going to be nice to see you clowns living on the same streets you drove on, passing the homeless yelling “get a job you bum” Please write more. It’s entertaining

Take a trip to Scandinavia! They have food and gasoline prices you can only begin to imagine. Yet there’s no hyperinflation and the standard of living is among the highest in the world. Higher education is free and there’s very little homeless. The homicide rate is like 7 times lower than in the US.

No matter the inflation, the US economy is so well capitalized that you will never have to go farming when the economy gets sour. This thing still happens in China but not in Europe, not in the US.

Obviously, you’ve never had to live like this. I had to and I assure you it’s the complete opposite of everything you imagine. This thing steals away everything you like, year by year, until there’s nothing left in you to give to others.

Thoreau, and a few Zen philosophers would disagree with you.

but its expensive getting the energy from solar ounce you have all the gear inverters panels batteries etc the rest comes in on its own you need electric thats the main priority

i v converted my shed to run on solar for experimentation and a learning curve over 1000 dollars so far

Hope the water restrictions don’t hurt their garden this year.

Its interesting, but leaves no time for art or culture.I am not interested in becoming a dark ages farm wife.I will grow 30 fruit trees and a heap of veggies, but will not toil as this women does in a dark kitchen ,by choice.Smacks of puritanism a bit.Nobody is smiling or laughing I noticed..

Good point about Scando–but how much of their food do they import? Whats happening their own soil health and ecology? How much of the embedded energy in their food is oil-based..or grown with 5-10 times more water than necessary? Well much of our “capitalized” food system has a 9 oil calories embedded in each food calorie produced, and is grown with hybrid varieties which are very thirsty and rely on mined ground water. A capitalized food system undermines its own existence.

There are many innovative farmers and gardeners, some very old, who would definitely disagree. If by “this thing” you mean growing food. Why paint this as a brutish existence when its clearly not?

I can’t agree. Imagine the amount of work if it was done by hand. That’s the whole point of using energy – doing much more than man could possibly do. Today something like 40% of the food production is credited to fertilizer (which is made out of natural gas). Does anyone suggests taking it out and farming with extremely labor intensive methods? Imagine the cost of food that would lead to. Easily 5-10x more expensive. Never mind the 2.8 billion people that would have to die of hunger. Wicked.

Because my parents and grandparents had to work in the collectivized Soviet farms. It was very hard even with the mechanized units they had. Before that it was just as bad. You could spend a quarter of your life in exhausting and dangerous work just to feed yourself. And your kinds and wife and grandmother, the whole family had to work. And I’ve tasted this myself. When I was a child we had a somewhat organic farm. Just feed ourselves we had to work on the field from 6 AM to 6 PM. And that’s…

… just for the vegetables. The work never stopped. As children we had 14-16 h work days. It only got easier in the winter when there simply wasn’t much one could do. But you still had to milk the cows very early. Bring water by hand to all the beasts, bring the grain to the birds, pray the winter wasn’t hard enough to consume all the firewood you sacrificed weeks to prepare. In the end there’s nothing pleasurable about it. It’s just a waste of life. A waste of brains and humanity.